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Overclocking Ram

So, explain me this someone as I don't fully understand the concept as I do with CPU overclocking. CPU overclocking I understand basically as the FSB x Multiplier = Clock speed. Memory overclocking gets me somewhat confused as there are timings (4-4-4-12 for example) that are listed in the specifications of the memory which I am not sure what exactly are the point of. Also the speed of the memory I am also confused on how this works in conjunction with the timings. For example DDR(Insert some number here) 1066. I am not sure exactly the significance of the number after the DDR and the number after that (for example the 1066 in DDR2 1066).

How would one be tweaking these values to acheive a overclock on their memory as I am somewhat in the dark on what exactly I am doing.
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Take your PROC back to stock and then raise the Memory speed a little at a time testing with memtest when it starts spitting out errors you have gone as far as you can go. The reOC your CPU and stress test it. If you have dividers you will have to play around with them possibly lowering the multi on the CPU to give you higher bus speeds. But if you are on dividers then your RAM is already OC'd along with the CPU. I'm guessing you don't have dividers and are just unlinked and unsynced.
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Take your PROC back to stock and then raise the Memory speed a little at a time testing with memtest when it starts spitting out errors you have gone as far as you can go. The reOC your CPU and stress test it. If you have dividers you will have to play around with them possibly lowering the multi on the CPU to give you higher bus speeds. But if you are on dividers then your RAM is already OC'd along with the CPU. I'm guessing you don't have dividers and are just unlinked and unsynced.
Note I am a complete n00b when it comes to ram...

By saying raise the memory speed a bit, what exactly am I touching? I am leaving the timings?

By dividers you mean what? Dividers on the RAM or what? How would I know this?
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DDR - Double Data Rate
DDR2 - Double Data Rate x 2
DDR3 - Double Data Rate x 3
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If your RAM is running at DDR2 1066, it is actually running at 533MHz x 2 since it's "double data rate". Now if your RAM was running at the same speed as your FSB, i.e. 1:1, your FSB would also be at 533MHz.

Lets say you are running your CPU at 3600MHz, being 400MHz FSB with a x8 multi. If you are running your RAM at 1:1 with your FSB here, it will be running at DDR2 800, since it's 400MHz x2. But lets say push your OC farther but your RAM can't keep up with running at 1:1 with your FSB. Lets say you're really extreme and you push your CPU to 5000MHz, 625MHz FSB with a x8 multi; but you have sucky ram so it can't run at 1:1 with your FSB, 'cause it can't run DDR2 1250 (625MHz x2). So you could set it to a divider of say 3:2. So your RAM would be running at DDR2 832, since 625 / 3 = 208(.33333...); 208 x 2 = 416, and then 416MHz x 2 = DDR2 852.



The timings I don't know much about so I can't really explain those, but here it is from good ol' Wikipedia.

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RAM manufacturers typically list the recommended timing for their RAM as a series of four integers separated by dashes (e.g 2-2-2-6 or 3-3-3-9 or 4-4-4-12 and so on). While there are many other settings related to RAM, these four integers refer to the following settings, which are typically listed in this order: CL - TRCD - TRP - TRAS.

CL = CAS Latency time: The time it takes between a command having been sent to the memory and when it begins to reply to it. It is the time it takes between the processor asking for some data from the memory and it returning it.

TRCD = DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: The number of clock cycles performed between activating the Row Access Strobe and the Column Access Strobe. This parameter relates to the time it takes to access stored data.

TRP = DRAM RAS# Precharge: The amount of time between the 'precharge' command and the 'active' command. The 'precharge' command closes memory that was accessed and the 'active' command signifies that a new read/write cycle can begin.

TRAS = Active to Precharge delay: The total time that will elapse between an active state and precharge state. This is the sum of the previous timings: CL + TRCD + TRP.

The BIOS on a PC may allow the user to make adjustments to RAM Timing in an effort to increase speed (with possible risk of decreased stability) or, in some cases, increase stability (by lowering the speed).

See dynamic random access memory, specifically the Synchronous Dynamic RAM (SDRAM) section.
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DDR - Double Data Rate
DDR2 - Double Data Rate x 2
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If your RAM is running at DDR2 1066, it is actually running at 533MHz x 2 since it's "double data rate". Now if your RAM was running at the same speed as your FSB, i.e. 1:1, your FSB would also be at 533MHz.

Lets say you are running your CPU at 3600MHz, being 400MHz FSB with a x8 multi. If you are running your RAM at 1:1 with your FSB here, it will be running at DDR2 800, since it's 400MHz x2. But lets say push your OC farther but your RAM can't keep up with running at 1:1 with your FSB. Lets say you're really extreme and you push your CPU to 5000MHz, 625MHz FSB with a x8 multi; but you have sucky ram so it can't run at 1:1 with your FSB, 'cause it can't run DDR2 1250 (625MHz x2). So you could set it to a divider of say 3:2. So your RAM would be running at DDR2 832, since 625 / 3 = 208(.33333...); 208 x 2 = 416, and then 416MHz x 2 = DDR2 852.



The timings I don't know much about so I can't really explain those, but here it is from good ol' Wikipedia.
Ok two questions from that. First off, your basically always going to be in a ratio situation, weather that ratio be 1:1 or 3:2 or whatnot, correct?

Secondly, does messing with the timings affect performance? Is it worth messing around with? How does one go about doing this efficiently as it seems as if you would just change the CL or whatnot down a number and check for stability.

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Ok two questions from that. First off, your basically always going to be in a ratio situation, weather that ratio be 1:1 or 3:2 or whatnot, correct?

Secondly, does messing with the timings affect performance? Is it worth messing around with? How does one go about doing this efficiently as it seems as if you would just change the CL or whatnot down a number and check for stability.

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1. Yeah basically.

2. Technically it does, but not anything you'd see in real-world peformance. Tightening your memory timings would only effect things like SuperPI and the Everest Memory Benchmark.
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sry moneyless but i believe i can notice a difference in crispness when i tweak my ram timings.
chopes-start with the tras and pull that back 1 notch at a time and see how you go.also use d9 micron ic's as ddr2 is cheap now to buy
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sry moneyless but i believe i can notice a difference in crispness when i tweak my ram timings.
chopes-start with the tras and pull that back 1 notch at a time and see how you go.also use d9 micron ic's as ddr2 is cheap now to buy
How does one go about starting to tweak the ram timings?
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yeah i agree with the wip..... my performance went up in nearly all of my games noticeably after i changed my timings from 5-5-5-15 to 4-3-4-12 and increasing the voltage to 1.9v
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you go into the bios, there will be a setting for memory latency timings... for me they were darkened out till i changed them from "auto" to "expert" and then you just type whatever number you want. i would go down by 1 in 1 setting only at a time and run a memory test... it's what i did and my memory is doing fine, in fact i could probably get it better i just m happy where i am.

also, i now have my cpu at 2.8 from it's factory 2.4.... i know that's not impressive compared to others on this site but for a first time overclocker i'm quite happy with the results and with no after market cooler.... yet.
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